Wednesday, May 03, 2006

Mormon Truth Podcast #16-An Interview With Jared, A Mormon Apologist-Part 3




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Well everyone, I'm finally back, with part 3 of this interview with Jared, the Mormon Apologist. In this part, we pick up where we left off in part 2, with Jared discussing the errors of the Bible to somehow justify the errors in the Mormon Church and Book of Mormon.

I still can't see the connection of how bashing Christianity or any other religion, helps prove Mormonism is true. I felt like I was in the twilight zone!!

Jared loves to compare the errors of Christianity to the errors in Mormonism, to justify and show that the Mormon Church is true. In other words, according to Jared, the screwed up Mormon Church is true, but the screwed up Christian Churches and the Bible, which are full of errors, upon which Mormonism is based, are all false.

Jared is welcome to respond in the comments of this podcast or he can Email me, if he feels that I'm misrepresenting what he was trying to say. I think the interview and his comments stand for themselves.

We then debate the translation process of the Book of Mormon and Jared disputes that it was "word for word" and impossible for errors to have been committed, despite the quotes we share. He does finally admit that the errors may have happened at the printing press...yeah right!!

Originally published May 3, 2006


Samuel the Utahnite

11 Comments:

At May 04, 2006 8:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you updating iTunes anymore? I don't see it yet.

 
At May 04, 2006 11:45 PM, Blogger OdieBytes said...

I did listen to the podcast when Eric posted it. I think you and Eric did a great job. I just can't listen to it again like I have all the others, just because of Mr. Pretzel, Jared.

It was painful listening to him. Great listening to you, though.

It would have been preferable if Jared had talked about purple monkeys flying in the sky. I would have believed that before I could have believed any of the idiocies he blathered on about in the podcast.

AI usually listen to your podcasts several times. This one I just can't--unless you could repost it using a voiceover whenever Jared talks. Maybe you could just voice over him using South Park's "dum dum dum" playing softly in the background.

Honest to goodness that guy would have given Joseph his own 13 yr old daughter as a wife. He needs to do his own podcast. There are enough Mormons out there that would love to do the pretzel twist with him. As for me, listening to you once is enough Jared.

 
At May 05, 2006 12:43 AM, Blogger Chris said...

Hi Samuel,
it was quite an interesting podcast, though I don't think you made many points.

You complain that the LDS church changes its doctrine, removes its racist teachings? I think we should be grateful that the churches of the world actually change their doctrine in which they erred.

Look at the old testament:
What would you think if the old testament teachings about the period of women was still in effect?

Consider Lev 15,18-19:
The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even.
And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.

So a woman is unclean about one week per month, what a great teaching, something for eternety, isn't it?
But what did the christian church do? Paul did actually abandon the Law of Moses.

We should be grateful for that, because many teachings in the old testament, which are far more disgusting than blood atonement, were luckily abandoned and replaced by a more human law.

However, since the last 2000 years, human beings have been stuck in the bible trap, the idea that the new testament should be the last answer to all questions of humanity.
So we should treat our wifes as the sexist Paul taught us, we should treat the Jews like the authors of the new testament who included their antijudaism in many bible verses
(cf. Mt 27,25, where the Jews are made responsible for Jesus' death, whereas Pontius Pilate, who sentenced him to death, is depicted as sinless, which most historical Scholars believe to be an untruth story).
Many modern problems have arisen out of the anachronism of using a 2000 year old book to solve modern problems.
The Antijudaism included in the bible is definitely one of the key factors which enabled Hitler to make the jews scapegoats for all kinds of problems and which eventually led to the Holocaust.

So I think, we should not complain that modern LDS leaders abandon the negative teachings of their ancestors, like christian church fathers have abandoned many teachings and practices of Judaism, and many old-fashioned practices and beliefs of Christianity should also be reformed.

 
At May 05, 2006 12:56 AM, Blogger Chris said...

Hi Samuel,
in previous shows, you complained how intolerant the LDS church is, regarding themselves as the only true church on Earth.
But on this show, your co-host Eric points out the exact same beliefs, enumerating many denominations which he regards to be "false churches" (including Scientology which is not a christian church at all, but maybe that was just a confusion on his side). Among those false churches he mentiones the catholic church, which has about 1 billion members. So in his opinion, all these people believe in a "false church".
Ok, so much for the tolerance argument.

Now to the bible.
Eric questioned the LDS teachings of excommunication. He gave an emotional story about what happens if you don't get disfellowshipped in contrast to the situation of excommunication. That's a nice approach, to actually care about the people's feelings.
However, in his church(or sect, as I would call it), they only follow the 2000 year old handbook on how to (mis)treat people, and it says:
(as he also complains that the bible is not only true when it is translated correctly, I will quote from the only true book on earth, which is the KJV):
Mt 18,15-18:
"Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

You also see that the last verse gives the "only true church on planet earth"(TM) the right to bind and unbind (baptise, make covenants, removing these covenants), which will then also hold in the heavenly realm.

I have to state that all words in the quote given in brackets are mere interpretations by the translators and can not be regarded as scripture, whereas all other words are without error.

So excommunication is biblical. Eric doesn't seem to know the bible well enough.So Eric, come unto Christ.

Ok, another bothering post by me,
Greets, Chris.

 
At May 05, 2006 1:11 AM, Blogger ZC said...

Samuel,

good podcast as usual. I've been a big reading and listening fan. Keep up the Good work.

 
At May 05, 2006 2:49 AM, Blogger Samuel the Utahnite said...

Hey Anon, thanks for the question. Yes I will be doing that very soon.

I've had to switch all of my podcasts over to a new host and by tomorrow afternoon, they will all be there, finally and updated, including podcast # 17, which is part 4 of the Apologist Jared interview

I didn't want to activate my new feed, until everything was set up, as it should be. I still have to submit about 8 of my shows, which will take several hours + and then we'll be good to go.

Thanks for your patience though and for asking what was up. I put some updates in the previous podcast comments, as to what was going on. I've had to revamp everything and it has taken much more time than I thought it would.

In the process of doing this, I've also increased the quality of all of my shows, as they are now at 64 kbps, due to not having size restrictions like I had at Ourmedia.

For those that want to keep all of my shows or listen to them again, I highly recommend deleting all of the shows that you have now and re-downloading them at the higher quality.

I know that some of you like to listen multiple times and so I just wanted you to know, that they sound better for you now.

Also, I have no limits on bandwidth, so re-downloading them will not cause me any bandwidth problems or extra costs.

So, it should be a better listening experience now and there will be no more delays in getting my shows on-line, especially on iTunes. Believe me, I'm as happy as you guys are, that we won't have any more of these problems.

Thanks so much for your support and things should run normally now, without the interruptions I've had, due to not being able to upload my shows. It must have been that damn Mormon God, who was trying to shut me down, but it didn't work...LOL!!

Take care and feel free to leave comments here anytime or email me if you have any questions.

I should have much more time now, to answer comments and Emails, without having to worry about massive tech and uploading problems.

So, like I said, by tomorrow afternoon, everything should be running like a well oiled machine, finally!!

Also, I'm sure that you have already noticed, but you can now stream my show right on my blog, or download the MP3 to your media player or PC or, finally, of course, listen and download them through iTunes, like many of you have been doing.

I just want it to be as easy as possible for everyone to hear the "Mormon Truth" and spread the good word to as many people as possible, in order to free them from the grips of the "Mormon cult."

I wrote this post earlier tonight and never published it. Anyway, since then, several of you have responded and I'll respond to you guys tomorrow or later on. Thanks for all of your comments and for listening.

I apologize Odiebytes for not getting back to you sooner, but I've been obsessed with getting all of my tech and hosting problems taken care of and that's about all I've been doing. I'll Email you tomorrow.

Take care everyone and tomorrow, I'll be putting out podcast #17, which is part 4 of this interview, which includes some great bonus discussion that we had after the show.

After that, I'll be resuming my podcasts with probably, at least 2 a week, now that I won't have any problem posting them for everyone.

I have some great things lined up, that you guys are gonna love, so please stay tuned and let me know what you think of the improvements of now being able to stream the show right on my blog, etc.

Take care everybody and I look forward to more of your comments and to making your experience here at Mormon Truth, the best one that you can have and as easy as possible to navigate.

Please spread the word to as many people and places as you can, as we reach a new level of growth and listenership, that are discovering the "truth and real facts of Mormonism", for the first time.

Thanks so much everybody,

Samuel

 
At May 09, 2006 9:58 PM, Anonymous Rice said...

First, congratulations to Jared on his pending exit from the Mormon Church; there's only so much cognitive dissonance anyone can put up with.

Second, without going into too much detail, I don't think Jared's comparison of Mormon excommunication with Catholic excommunication is too valid. I think Mormon excommunication is used on an exponentially greater scale than it is used in the Catholic Church. In the Catholic Church I think one must do something very very bad and pretty much try to get excommunicated in order for that to happen. I don't think confessing your sins to a priest would ever result in an excommunication, as it might with a Mormon bishop. (A priest is automatically defrocked and excommunicated if he were to reveal the contents of a confession (I guess it's kind of a Catch-22)). Off of wikipedia here's a list things one can be excommunicated for as a Catholic:

1. Apostasy
2. Heresy
3. Schism
4. Simony
5. Desecration of the Eucharist
6. Physical force against the pope
7. Attempted sacramental absolution of a partner in adultery
8. Ordination of a bishop without a Papal mandate
9. For non-electors present in the conclave, revelation of the details of the conclave
10. Simoniacal provision of the Papal office
11. Violation of the sacramental seal of confession by a priest or bishop
12. Procurement of a completed abortion.

I find it hilarious that I cannot or wouldn't know how to go about doing numbers 4, 8, 9, 10, and 11. And I think most people wouldn't have the desire to do numbers 5, 6, 7, and 12.

In both churches it's a motivator by fear; but I think it's more of a social tool in Mormonism considering it's massive presence amongst the normal masses and the ability for a local authority to dish it out relatively easily. (What Mormon wants to be labeled an associated of an excommunicate)?

Personally, I think disfellowshipment and excommunication in the Mormon Church is a very public form of punishment. Considering the small sizes' of wards, everyone notices if someone doesn't take the sacrament. Then the gossip starts and the excommunicate's family is taken down a notch in the ward's social hierarchy.

I hope my thoughts are not too all over the place.

What's the deal with iTunes?

Thanks for the podcast Samuel.

 
At May 11, 2006 3:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is episode 17? It has been over a week since you said you would be putting it up "tomorrow". I look forward to hearing it.

 
At May 12, 2006 11:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

iTunes fixed, sweet.

 
At May 17, 2006 1:45 AM, Anonymous "THE" Jared said...

For any of the listeners who are interested, I will post my full comments in the comment section after part 4.

I just wanted to wait until all parts had been played before commenting on this experience.

 
At November 04, 2006 8:11 PM, Anonymous Bill Kempton said...

Regarding the Book of Mormon changes from Mother of God to “son of God” Jared is ignoring the evolutionary development of the Godhead in Mormonism. I am currently working on a dissertation on that subject. For the short version see my webpage at http://www.geocities.com/exmormon2000/godhead.html. I have also extensively researched the seer stone in the hat act and you might want to check out my essay here: http://www.geocities.com/exmormon2000/seerstone.html.

 

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