Wednesday, May 24, 2006

Mormon Truth Podcast #18-An Interview With Joy, An Ex-Mormon-Part 1

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Well, I felt that it was time to get a woman's perspective on these issues that I've been covering for the last 10 months, between my blog and my podcasts. I really want to thank Joy for coming forward and being that voice for women and explaining her perspective on things, from a woman's point of view.

It takes courage to want to do an interview like this and it also takes a lot of internal strength, to want to rehash this issues again, that have been in her past now for many years. I know that Joy sincerely wants to help others, as I do and I appreciate her efforts to do so in this 3 part podcast.

As former Mormons, it is hard for us to ever forget our past, especially after we were so repressed and now have that taste of freedom, which helps us understand even more, just how controlled we were by the cult and its leaders. How can we simple forget and move on, as TBMS always say we should do, when we were cult members and survived and actually found our way out?

Some were members for 30-40 years or more and they are supposed to pretend it never happened? I guess in a delusional, twilight zone, TBM, twisted, jacked up reality and world, it sounds great and makes sense!!

Here in part one, we first get to know Joy and her background and how her Parents were converted to the Mormon Church when she was 4 years old, soon after they had left the re-organized Mormon Church. Joy discusses some of the differences between the Salt Lake based/Brigham Young sect of Mormonism VS. The Re-organized Church.

Joy then shares how difficult it was when her parents divorced and how she was treated in her ward, and what was behind many of the invitations that she received, which led to a period of inactivity, although she still believed the Church was true. She then discusses what is taught in Relief Society and compares it to what men are taught in Priesthood.

Joy then tells us what her experience was like going to the temple at the age of 8 and being sealed to her Parents.We go on to discuss many more subjects that I'm sure most of you will find very worthwhile. I think Joy did an outstanding job!!

Thank you Joy for sharing a part of your life with us and for sharing your personal pain and experiences. I'm sure Mormon Truth listeners will be very grateful for your willingness to share what you have and that they will all be able to learn a lot from you and be better for having heard this interview, just as I'm better for having done it. THANKS SO MUCH!!

The personal Email for Joy, for those that want to get in touch with her, is:

Here is the link I promised during the podcast, for the audio of the temple ceremonies, for those that want to listen to them. You can listen to the pre-1990 ceremony and the current temple ceremony as well:

Also, here is the link where you can all go and compare the two ceremonies, word for word and see exactly what was erased and what was added, when the ceremony was drastically changed in 1990. The first Presidency called them "modifications" and then once again, instilled their typical fear BS, when they said, "As with the other aspects of the Endowment, you are under solemn obligation not to discuss these sacred matters outside of the temple:

Also, here was the Kimball quote, that Joy read, with the link on LDS.ORG, where you can go read it and verify it, since it is so outrageous. Notice the added words, in parenthesis, to try to soften what Kimball said. Kimball did not say those words when he gave the talk:

“We recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally, and of somewhat the same economic and social and educational background (some of those are not an absolute necessity, but preferred), and above all, the same religious background, without question” (“Marriage and Divorce,” in 1976 Devotional Speeches of the Year [Provo: Brigham Young University Press, 1977], p. 144).

We both look very much forward to all of your comments and opinions!!

Samuel the Utahnite


At May 26, 2006 11:39 PM, Anonymous Ray said...

Great job as usual, Samuel. It was nice to hear Joy's story. It's ironic that once you leave the church, you discover that it's okay to be honest. Honest about your feelings. If something (like the temple) freaks you out, it's okay to say so! Not in the Mormon world. Joy talked about how her father was freaked out by his first experience in the temple but was afraid to say anything or ask any questions. Once again, it's a control factor. Thanks for being honest, Joy.
I went through the temple in 1995 so I missed the R rated version. Thanks for posting the link. Looking forward to parts 2 & 3.

At May 27, 2006 3:37 PM, Anonymous Bonnie said...

great podcast Samuel. Joy was a fantastic guest. I really appreciated hearing about her experiences in the LDS church. She has a great personality and comes across so well. so thanks, Joy.

I look forward to hearing the other two parts of the podcast.

I loved the interaction between you and your guest. It is a lot of fun to hear the interaction, laughter, jokes, and fun.

thank you!!

At May 27, 2006 11:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great job Samuel and Joy! I'm so enjoying this and looking forward to the next installment!

At November 04, 2006 8:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am an investigator. thanks for the info. i think that it is clear that the presidents of the church are not infallable. at some point the mormon church will need to admit that they have a limited prophetic knowledge and that they can merely provide gudance not laws. also at some point they may need to admit that joseph smith and the book of mormon are not infallable and point to the forest of Christ and admit there have been some rotten trees.

At December 07, 2006 8:59 PM, Blogger brianbastian said...

i have been looking for that south park episode after only hearing about it. thank you


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