Mormon Truth Podcast #19-An Interview With Joy, An Ex-Mormon-Part 2

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This is part 2 of my interview with Joy. We appreciate everyone that has listened to part 1 and hope that you will enjoy part 2 just as much.

In this part, we start off where part 1 left off, with Joy explaining what the Church taught her regarding marriage and the Mormon depiction of marriage. She shares some absolutely revolting quotes, about how much a man should love his wife and children, compared to the Mormon Church, from Brigham Young, of course, in The Journal of Discourses. The first quote by Brigham Young, is located in volume 3 page 360. The 2nd quote is located in volume 9 page 37.

I feel bad For any of you TBMs out there, that can hear or read these quotes, and then somehow justify them, and still call this man an inspired Prophet of God. What would it take for you to wake up and realize that this man, who is praised by Mormons and has a University named after him, had nothing to do with any God.

If their is a devil running around tormenting people, as part of God's inspired plan, then Brigham Young was one of his die-hard servants and did a great job. Also, the Mormon Hierarchy has never repudiated these quotes that Joy shares and still sells them in Jesus' one and only true and living bookstore. Brigham Young was a disgrace to mankind and a very vile human being. These quotes just add to his legacy of disgrace!!

Joy also mentions the studies done on Prozac use in Utah, among many drugs, compared to other places. Why is it so high? Hmm....70% Mormon and the highest Prozac use? You do the math, but it's not hard to figure out, is it? We are simply pointing out that people do what they have to, to cope with their life and that here in Utah, where most are Mormon, well....they never feel good enough and can never live up to the impossible, lofty standards that are given to them from birth.

The suicide rates in Utah, are also always among the highest in the country and it is all inter-related. One need only read the story of Kip Eliason, to see how awful the Mormon Church handles depressed people and what the end result may be.

Joy also shares a very personal story about a dear friend of hers and what he went through when he revealed to his family, that he was homosexual. His family is die-hard TBM, which means that they are intolerant and anti-gay, even with their own Son, because they follow the Mormon Church's teachings and beliefs on the subject, which includes the bigots Gordon B. Hinckley and Boyd K. Packer....which are 2 of the top 3 dogs of the Mormon Hierarchy.

Like Hinckley says, they have a problem and need to be fixed, but he also admits that he doesn't know how or why they are gay. Again, how can anyone support or justify this?

Please leave your comments and let us know what you felt while listening to this podcast and the personal experiences of Joy. I feel like Joy shared some very powerful things with all of us and I'll always be grateful to Joy, for giving her time, heart and soul to this podcast and all of you out there listening.

I know that it wasn't easy for her to discuss these things and I hope that it was helpful to some of you out there struggling. For those that don't think the Mormon Church destroys lives or ruins families, this interview with Joy, should help clear that up for you.

Samuel the Utahnite

Mormon Truth Podcast #18-An Interview With Joy, An Ex-Mormon-Part 1

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Well, I felt that it was time to get a woman's perspective on these issues that I've been covering for the last 10 months, between my blog and my podcasts. I really want to thank Joy for coming forward and being that voice for women and explaining her perspective on things, from a woman's point of view.

It takes courage to want to do an interview like this and it also takes a lot of internal strength, to want to rehash this issues again, that have been in her past now for many years. I know that Joy sincerely wants to help others, as I do and I appreciate her efforts to do so in this 3 part podcast.

As former Mormons, it is hard for us to ever forget our past, especially after we were so repressed and now have that taste of freedom, which helps us understand even more, just how controlled we were by the cult and its leaders. How can we simple forget and move on, as TBMS always say we should do, when we were cult members and survived and actually found our way out?

Some were members for 30-40 years or more and they are supposed to pretend it never happened? I guess in a delusional, twilight zone, TBM, twisted, jacked up reality and world, it sounds great and makes sense!!

Here in part one, we first get to know Joy and her background and how her Parents were converted to the Mormon Church when she was 4 years old, soon after they had left the re-organized Mormon Church. Joy discusses some of the differences between the Salt Lake based/Brigham Young sect of Mormonism VS. The Re-organized Church.

Joy then shares how difficult it was when her parents divorced and how she was treated in her ward, and what was behind many of the invitations that she received, which led to a period of inactivity, although she still believed the Church was true. She then discusses what is taught in Relief Society and compares it to what men are taught in Priesthood.

Joy then tells us what her experience was like going to the temple at the age of 8 and being sealed to her Parents.We go on to discuss many more subjects that I'm sure most of you will find very worthwhile. I think Joy did an outstanding job!!

Thank you Joy for sharing a part of your life with us and for sharing your personal pain and experiences. I'm sure Mormon Truth listeners will be very grateful for your willingness to share what you have and that they will all be able to learn a lot from you and be better for having heard this interview, just as I'm better for having done it. THANKS SO MUCH!!

The personal Email for Joy, for those that want to get in touch with her, is:

jezebelofperdition@gmail.com

Here is the link I promised during the podcast, for the audio of the temple ceremonies, for those that want to listen to them. You can listen to the pre-1990 ceremony and the current temple ceremony as well:

http://www.lds-temple.org/audio.html

Also, here is the link where you can all go and compare the two ceremonies, word for word and see exactly what was erased and what was added, when the ceremony was drastically changed in 1990. The first Presidency called them "modifications" and then once again, instilled their typical fear BS, when they said, "As with the other aspects of the Endowment, you are under solemn obligation not to discuss these sacred matters outside of the temple:

http://www.lds-temple.org/compare.htm

Also, here was the Kimball quote, that Joy read, with the link on LDS.ORG, where you can go read it and verify it, since it is so outrageous. Notice the added words, in parenthesis, to try to soften what Kimball said. Kimball did not say those words when he gave the talk:

“We recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally, and of somewhat the same economic and social and educational background (some of those are not an absolute necessity, but preferred), and above all, the same religious background, without question” (“Marriage and Divorce,” in 1976 Devotional Speeches of the Year [Provo: Brigham Young University Press, 1977], p. 144).

We both look very much forward to all of your comments and opinions!!

Samuel the Utahnite

Mormon Truth Podcast #17-An Interview Mormon Apologist Jared-Part 4

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Well guys, here we are, finally at part 4, of the interview with the Mormon Apologist Jared. Again, I do apologize for the delays, as I've been trying to revamp all of my shows for you guys and get them posted on my new host and also record some new podcasts, which I have also done during this process.

This week is gonna be a good week and I'll make it up to you guys, as you won't be disappointed. My next 3 podcasts, which are already recorded, and should prove to be very interesting, to most of you out there, especially you TBMs, specifically women.

Here in Part 4, of the interview with the Mormon Apologist Jared, we continue on where we left off in part 3, with Jared discussing what his definition of repentance is. We then go into what is forgiveness and how and when we are forgiven for our sins. Eric posed some great questions that seemed to be new territory for Jared which in turn left him quite confused at times.

Eric then quotes Mormon Prophet Spencer W. Kimball out of "Miracle of Forgiveness", which clearly showed that Jared's conclusions or personal opinions, on forgiveness, were wrong, according to Kimball.

We then discuss what it takes to get into the Celestial Kingdom and Jared seems to be in a little bit of denial, that you have to be a Mormon, in this life or the next, in order to achieve that. Jared justifies the Mormon teachings, by once again, comparing it to Christianity, which was getting very tired for me at this point.

Jared does point out, with his argument, the flaws in both Mormonism and Christianity, in regard to who is saved and I have to say that I agree with that argument, that both are very flawed. However, the flaws in Christianity have nothing to do with and do not justify, the flaws in the Mormon cult.

There are many more topics that you guys will enjoy, as the above description only covers the first 10 minutes or so. Now, when the show ended, I continued recording, as we discussed many extra topics, that were not part of the regular show.

I have included as much of that bonus coverage as I can, without compromising Jared and the personal information regarding his life and some topics that he wasn't comfortable with me posting, which I respect. I had to do quite a bit of editing, but the bonus audio still turned out great.

Jared knows that I'm going to post this "bonus coverage", just so that everyone knows that I wasn't doing it behind his back. When I listened back to it, I realized that too many great things were discussed, to not include them in this podcast for all of you guys to hear.

So, enjoy everybody and thanks again for your patience in the delay of releasing this part 4 and I hope that you all enjoy it and that it was worth the wait. There should be no more long delays in releasing my podcasts, since I'm all set up now, finally, and I really appreciate all of you loyal listeners out there for your patience and support.

I also appreciate all of the recent hatemail from you clueless TBMS and apologists, who just attack me personally and condemn me to hell and can't wait for the Mormon God to serve out his justice, in this life or the next. Of course, all of this, without addressing one specific thing I've actually said or written about.

You guys just continue to show me why it is that I must continue to do what I'm doing and I appreciate it very much!! Now go back to your pathetic cult and bow your heads and say yes!!

Samuel the Utahnite

Mormon Truth Podcast #16-An Interview With Jared, A Mormon Apologist-Part 3

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Well everyone, I'm finally back, with part 3 of this interview with Jared, the Mormon Apologist. In this part, we pick up where we left off in part 2, with Jared discussing the errors of the Bible to somehow justify the errors in the Mormon Church and Book of Mormon.

I still can't see the connection of how bashing Christianity or any other religion, helps prove Mormonism is true. I felt like I was in the twilight zone!!

Jared loves to compare the errors of Christianity to the errors in Mormonism, to justify and show that the Mormon Church is true. In other words, according to Jared, the screwed up Mormon Church is true, but the screwed up Christian Churches and the Bible, which are full of errors, upon which Mormonism is based, are all false.

Jared is welcome to respond in the comments of this podcast or he can Email me, if he feels that I'm misrepresenting what he was trying to say. I think the interview and his comments stand for themselves.

We then debate the translation process of the Book of Mormon and Jared disputes that it was "word for word" and impossible for errors to have been committed, despite the quotes we share. He does finally admit that the errors may have happened at the printing press...yeah right!!

Originally published May 3, 2006

Samuel the Utahnite